Posts by joey jojo

i started a thread comparing the septuagint to the masoretic text.it is here:https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5665236409384960/comparing-septuagint-masoretic-textfor those who do not know what the septuagint and the masoretic text are, here's an introduction on wikipedia:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/septuagint.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/masoretic_text.

i think that, more than anything else, the fact that the septuagint and the masoretic text are so different, is what made me stop believing in the bible.. and more than anything else, the most striking differences between the septuagint and the masoretic text have to be the genealogies of genesis 5.. the genealogies of genesis 5 are crucial to the jehovah's witnesses, the adventists, and many other religions that place an emphasis on time prophecy.why is that?because they try to make out when the "end of the world" happens based on the 6000 years of human existence, they have to use genesis 5. and, if the numbers in genesis 5 in the bible most people in the western world use are wrong, then the time to creation is wrong, and then the "end of the world date" is wrong.so, what are the differences?the account tells the ages in this format:x person lived for y years.

joey jojo

ILoveTTATT2,

Thanks for this.

I was watching something about the pyramid of Giza and how it pre-dates Noahs flood. I was doing some light research and found an article about how the Septuagint and the Masoretic differ when giving ages and time spans in Genesis. The result being wildly different chronology, with the Septuagint timeline putting the flood before the pyramid of giza was built. Which makes more sense if you believe that stuff.

Comparing the Masoretic to the Septuagint is something I hadn't even considered, maybe its because of years as an indoctrinated JW but I assumed the 2 would be close enough textually to make any difference trivial.

But they are different and the more you dig, the murkier it seems to get as to what to believe. Once you pull back the curtain, it astounds me that people devote their lives and the lives of their children to any Judeo- Christian faith based on this information.

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WT / JW Doctrine ,Satan cast out of Heaven in 1914 ? He has always had access to the earth ? Since Eve .

by smiddy3 in

this doctrine / belief that jehovah`s witnesses have , surely raises a few questions that they do not address.. 1.this spirit being challenged god by questioning his authority and offering eve an alternative making himself satan.. and this took place on earth ,the garden of eden.

so he who became satan had access to the earth.. 2. all throughout the old testament , the hebrew scriptures do we find examples of satan interfering with gods plan of things either by himself or his followers .. 3.their are just too many examples to list individually ,however a few key ones would be , the nephilim , job when god in heaven asks him where he has been , and his reply , from roving about on the earth .

, etc.etc.. 4.and of course in the new testament , where jesus is taken up into a mountain to be tempted by satan for fourty days ?.

joey jojo

No animal is aware that they are naked, yet all creatures and plants have sex, more or less.

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WT / JW Doctrine ,Satan cast out of Heaven in 1914 ? He has always had access to the earth ? Since Eve .

by smiddy3 in

this doctrine / belief that jehovah`s witnesses have , surely raises a few questions that they do not address.. 1.this spirit being challenged god by questioning his authority and offering eve an alternative making himself satan.. and this took place on earth ,the garden of eden.

so he who became satan had access to the earth.. 2. all throughout the old testament , the hebrew scriptures do we find examples of satan interfering with gods plan of things either by himself or his followers .. 3.their are just too many examples to list individually ,however a few key ones would be , the nephilim , job when god in heaven asks him where he has been , and his reply , from roving about on the earth .

, etc.etc.. 4.and of course in the new testament , where jesus is taken up into a mountain to be tempted by satan for fourty days ?.

joey jojo

Talking snakes, magical fruit, lost innocence, vengeful gods.

It sounds like any other myth of any culture of its era when it is read from our historical perspective.

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WT / JW Doctrine ,Satan cast out of Heaven in 1914 ? He has always had access to the earth ? Since Eve .

by smiddy3 in

this doctrine / belief that jehovah`s witnesses have , surely raises a few questions that they do not address.. 1.this spirit being challenged god by questioning his authority and offering eve an alternative making himself satan.. and this took place on earth ,the garden of eden.

so he who became satan had access to the earth.. 2. all throughout the old testament , the hebrew scriptures do we find examples of satan interfering with gods plan of things either by himself or his followers .. 3.their are just too many examples to list individually ,however a few key ones would be , the nephilim , job when god in heaven asks him where he has been , and his reply , from roving about on the earth .

, etc.etc.. 4.and of course in the new testament , where jesus is taken up into a mountain to be tempted by satan for fourty days ?.

joey jojo

Then there is the whole other argument as to whether Satan actually lied to Eve about the consequences of eating the fruit.

Their eyes were opened and they came to a knowledge of good and bad. They would have continued to live if they ate from the tree of life, according to the bible.

Did Satan know God was going to restrict access to the tree of life, or was that a curve ball thrown by God that no one expected?

Also, why have a tree of life????

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1958 VS 2019 International Covention

by joey jojo in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlkvocpun8w.

2019. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qut4sr9elo.

so many emotional triggers and not much substance in 2019. at least they highlighted a part of a talk from knorr in the 1958 vid, nothing but a lovefest in the 2019 clip.

joey jojo

1958

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLKvocpun8w

2019

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QUt4SR9eLo

So many emotional triggers and not much substance in 2019. At least they highlighted a part of a talk from Knorr in the 1958 vid, nothing but a lovefest in the 2019 clip.

People were so excited to meet the GB back in 1958, as they are today.

Also , imagine everyones anticipation of the release of the 'Your Will' book, a book I believe is not available on JW org library in 2019 and seems to be a reaction to the nuclear age and an obsession with the launch of the Sputnik satellite.

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International conventions and natiionalism

by joey jojo in

i have been seeing a few international conventions posted here and on social media.

i can't help but notice what seems like blatant nationalism in terms of dress, greetings, welcome signs.

am i right or have i simply turned into a hyper sensitive loser that is reading too much into things?

joey jojo

Social media posts from various conventions have been full of cultural dancing, singing and dress and it has left me wondering where the line between celebrating national identity and nationalism is drawn.

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International conventions and natiionalism

by joey jojo in

i have been seeing a few international conventions posted here and on social media.

i can't help but notice what seems like blatant nationalism in terms of dress, greetings, welcome signs.

am i right or have i simply turned into a hyper sensitive loser that is reading too much into things?

joey jojo

Hi everyone.

I have been seeing a few international conventions posted here and on social media.

I can't help but notice what seems like blatant nationalism in terms of dress, greetings, welcome signs.

Am I right or have I simply turned into a hyper sensitive loser that is reading too much into things? 🤔

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The idiots Hollyweird destroys the Bond Franchise

by rockemsockem in

99% of the people who go to bond films want a straight white english bond with a bit of light sexism and some bond girls thrown in.

they do not want a tranny bond or a gay or lesbian bond.

and they do not want a black woman bond.

joey jojo

A black female bond would be awesome.